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2010-09-18 13:10:27基本情況:
去年6月被電話call 去 downtown 聽一個 有關 xxx 的介紹, 在那裡被 sales 忽悠地簽了合同,買了xxx 計劃,今年7月一用才發現有很多與介紹不符的地方,每年有很多收費的,訂住的時候還要交各種費,訂房也不方便,才知道受騙了。已向BC小額法庭立案告該公司, 下月法庭調解。我沒請律師。
在網上看到有其他受害人也在告這家公司。我聯系了一下,他們有六個人,年初請了個律師, 要到明年一月開庭,律師不預收費,打贏後收25%。
主要有以下的基本事實供討論:
1. 起訴時已是簽了合同的第13個月。有無時效問題。
2. 被忽悠的度假計劃, sales 的描述與實際有很多不符。賣的時候說一年交400元的管理費,可實際一年下來交了近千元的管理費,memeber費。 訂的時候還要交200左右的 transfer費,住完結帳的時候還要交清潔費。 賣的時候不讓看合同, 只是講。 到同意買的時候才把合同拿出來讓你簽, 厚厚的合同很難一下看明白。所以, 我認為這不是一個 fare trade.
3. 在他給我的是合同的復印件, 在這復印件上, 很多內容被覆蓋了, 沒印出來。 象公司名稱地址,還有 timeshare 合同必須的“ 如何10天內無條件 cancel 合同” 都沒有在我的合同復印件中出現。所以我拿到的是一份不完整的合同。
www.bclaws.ca/EPLibrar...2_02#part2
Division 2 — Direct Sales, Future Performance and Time Share Contracts
Required contents
19 A direct sales contract, future performance contract or time share contract must contain the following information:
(a) the supplier's name and, if different, the name under which the supplier carries on business; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(b) the supplier's business address and, if different, the supplier's mailing address; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(c) the supplier's telephone number and, if available, facsimile number; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(d) the date on which the contract is entered into;
(e) a detailed description of the goods or services to be supplied under the contract;
(f) an itemized purchase price for the goods or services to be supplied under the contract;
(g) other costs payable by the consumer, including taxes and shipping charges;
(h) if any customs duties, brokerage fees or other additional charges that may apply to the contract cannot reasonably be determined by the supplier, a description of those charges;
(i) a detailed statement of the terms of payment;
(j) the total price under the contract, including the total cost of credit;
(k) if applicable, a description and dollar value of any trade-in;
(l) if credit is extended or arranged by the supplier, a description of the subject matter of any security interest in accordance with Part 5 [Disclosure of the Cost of Consumer Credit];
(m) a notice of the consumer's rights of cancellation, in the prescribed form and manner, if any; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(n) any other restrictions, limitations or other terms or conditions that may apply to the supply of the goods or services;
(o) any other prescribed information.
www.bclaws.ca/EPLibrar...2_02#part2
Part 2 — Unfair Practices
Division 1 — Deceptive Acts or Practices
Deceptive acts or practices
4 (1) In this Division:
"deceptive act or practice" means, in relation to a consumer transaction,
(a) an oral, written, visual, descriptive or other representation by a supplier, or
(b) any conduct by a supplier
that has the capability, tendency or effect of deceiving or misleading a consumer or guarantor;
"representation" includes any term or form of a contract, notice or other document used or relied on by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction.
2) A deceptive act or practice by a supplier may occur before, during or after the consumer transaction.
(3) Without limiting subsection (1), one or more of the following constitutes a deceptive act or practice:
(a) a representation by a supplier that goods or services
(i) have sponsorship, approval, performance characteristics, accessories, ingredients, quantities, components, uses or benefits that they do not have,
(ii) are of a particular standard, quality, grade, style or model if they are not,
(iii) have a particular prior history or usage that they do not have, including a representation that they are new if they are not,
(iv) are available for a reason that differs from the fact,
(v) are available if they are not available as represented,
(vi) were available in accordance with a previous representation if they were not,
(vii) are available in quantities greater than is the fact, or
(viii) will be supplied within a stated period if the supplier knows or ought to know that they will not;
(b) a representation by a supplier
(i) that the supplier has a sponsorship, approval, status, affiliation or connection that the supplier does not have,
(ii) that a service, part, replacement or repair is needed if it is not,
(iii) that the purpose or intent of a solicitation of, or a communication with, a consumer by a supplier is for a purpose or intent that differs from the fact,
(iv) that a consumer transaction involves or does not involve rights, remedies or obligations that differs from the fact,
(v) about the authority of a representative, employee or agent to negotiate the final terms of a consumer transaction if the representation differs from the fact,
(vi) that uses exaggeration, innuendo or ambiguity about a material fact or that fails to state a material fact, if the effect is misleading,
(vii) that a consumer will obtain a benefit for helping the supplier to find other potential customers if it is unlikely that the consumer will obtain the benefit,
(viii) that appears in an objective form such as an editorial, documentary or scientific report if the representation is primarily made to sell goods or services, unless the representation states that it is an advertisement or promotion, or
(ix) to arrange for the consumer an extension of credit for a fee, unless the fee is deducted from the advance, as defined in section 57 [definitions];
(c) a representation by a supplier about the total price of goods or services if
(i) a person could reasonably conclude that a price benefit or advantage exists but it does not,
(ii) the price of a unit or installment is given in the representation, and the total price of the goods or services is not given at least the same prominence(突出), or
(iii) the supplier's estimate of the price is materially less than the price subsequently determined or demanded by the supplier unless the consumer has expressly consented to the higher price before the goods or services are supplied;
(d) a prescribed act or practice.
Prohibition and burden of proof
5 (1) A supplier must not commit or engage in a deceptive act or practice in respect of a consumer transaction.
(2) If it is alleged that a supplier committed or engaged in a deceptive act or practice, the burden of proof that the deceptive act or practice was not committed or engaged in is on the supplier.
還有這兩個文件, 是ALBERTA 省的,BC 沒有單立 act, 但有類似的bill。
Unfair_Practices_the_Fair_Trading_Act.pdf:
www.servicealberta.ca/...ng_Act.pdf
去年6月被電話call 去 downtown 聽一個 有關 xxx 的介紹, 在那裡被 sales 忽悠地簽了合同,買了xxx 計劃,今年7月一用才發現有很多與介紹不符的地方,每年有很多收費的,訂住的時候還要交各種費,訂房也不方便,才知道受騙了。已向BC小額法庭立案告該公司, 下月法庭調解。我沒請律師。
在網上看到有其他受害人也在告這家公司。我聯系了一下,他們有六個人,年初請了個律師, 要到明年一月開庭,律師不預收費,打贏後收25%。
主要有以下的基本事實供討論:
1. 起訴時已是簽了合同的第13個月。有無時效問題。
2. 被忽悠的度假計劃, sales 的描述與實際有很多不符。賣的時候說一年交400元的管理費,可實際一年下來交了近千元的管理費,memeber費。 訂的時候還要交200左右的 transfer費,住完結帳的時候還要交清潔費。 賣的時候不讓看合同, 只是講。 到同意買的時候才把合同拿出來讓你簽, 厚厚的合同很難一下看明白。所以, 我認為這不是一個 fare trade.
3. 在他給我的是合同的復印件, 在這復印件上, 很多內容被覆蓋了, 沒印出來。 象公司名稱地址,還有 timeshare 合同必須的“ 如何10天內無條件 cancel 合同” 都沒有在我的合同復印件中出現。所以我拿到的是一份不完整的合同。
www.bclaws.ca/EPLibrar...2_02#part2
Division 2 — Direct Sales, Future Performance and Time Share Contracts
Required contents
19 A direct sales contract, future performance contract or time share contract must contain the following information:
(a) the supplier's name and, if different, the name under which the supplier carries on business; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(b) the supplier's business address and, if different, the supplier's mailing address; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(c) the supplier's telephone number and, if available, facsimile number; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(d) the date on which the contract is entered into;
(e) a detailed description of the goods or services to be supplied under the contract;
(f) an itemized purchase price for the goods or services to be supplied under the contract;
(g) other costs payable by the consumer, including taxes and shipping charges;
(h) if any customs duties, brokerage fees or other additional charges that may apply to the contract cannot reasonably be determined by the supplier, a description of those charges;
(i) a detailed statement of the terms of payment;
(j) the total price under the contract, including the total cost of credit;
(k) if applicable, a description and dollar value of any trade-in;
(l) if credit is extended or arranged by the supplier, a description of the subject matter of any security interest in accordance with Part 5 [Disclosure of the Cost of Consumer Credit];
(m) a notice of the consumer's rights of cancellation, in the prescribed form and manner, if any; <-----My contract copy did not has this part!!!
(n) any other restrictions, limitations or other terms or conditions that may apply to the supply of the goods or services;
(o) any other prescribed information.
www.bclaws.ca/EPLibrar...2_02#part2
Part 2 — Unfair Practices
Division 1 — Deceptive Acts or Practices
Deceptive acts or practices
4 (1) In this Division:
"deceptive act or practice" means, in relation to a consumer transaction,
(a) an oral, written, visual, descriptive or other representation by a supplier, or
(b) any conduct by a supplier
that has the capability, tendency or effect of deceiving or misleading a consumer or guarantor;
"representation" includes any term or form of a contract, notice or other document used or relied on by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction.
2) A deceptive act or practice by a supplier may occur before, during or after the consumer transaction.
(3) Without limiting subsection (1), one or more of the following constitutes a deceptive act or practice:
(a) a representation by a supplier that goods or services
(i) have sponsorship, approval, performance characteristics, accessories, ingredients, quantities, components, uses or benefits that they do not have,
(ii) are of a particular standard, quality, grade, style or model if they are not,
(iii) have a particular prior history or usage that they do not have, including a representation that they are new if they are not,
(iv) are available for a reason that differs from the fact,
(v) are available if they are not available as represented,
(vi) were available in accordance with a previous representation if they were not,
(vii) are available in quantities greater than is the fact, or
(viii) will be supplied within a stated period if the supplier knows or ought to know that they will not;
(b) a representation by a supplier
(i) that the supplier has a sponsorship, approval, status, affiliation or connection that the supplier does not have,
(ii) that a service, part, replacement or repair is needed if it is not,
(iii) that the purpose or intent of a solicitation of, or a communication with, a consumer by a supplier is for a purpose or intent that differs from the fact,
(iv) that a consumer transaction involves or does not involve rights, remedies or obligations that differs from the fact,
(v) about the authority of a representative, employee or agent to negotiate the final terms of a consumer transaction if the representation differs from the fact,
(vi) that uses exaggeration, innuendo or ambiguity about a material fact or that fails to state a material fact, if the effect is misleading,
(vii) that a consumer will obtain a benefit for helping the supplier to find other potential customers if it is unlikely that the consumer will obtain the benefit,
(viii) that appears in an objective form such as an editorial, documentary or scientific report if the representation is primarily made to sell goods or services, unless the representation states that it is an advertisement or promotion, or
(ix) to arrange for the consumer an extension of credit for a fee, unless the fee is deducted from the advance, as defined in section 57 [definitions];
(c) a representation by a supplier about the total price of goods or services if
(i) a person could reasonably conclude that a price benefit or advantage exists but it does not,
(ii) the price of a unit or installment is given in the representation, and the total price of the goods or services is not given at least the same prominence(突出), or
(iii) the supplier's estimate of the price is materially less than the price subsequently determined or demanded by the supplier unless the consumer has expressly consented to the higher price before the goods or services are supplied;
(d) a prescribed act or practice.
Prohibition and burden of proof
5 (1) A supplier must not commit or engage in a deceptive act or practice in respect of a consumer transaction.
(2) If it is alleged that a supplier committed or engaged in a deceptive act or practice, the burden of proof that the deceptive act or practice was not committed or engaged in is on the supplier.
還有這兩個文件, 是ALBERTA 省的,BC 沒有單立 act, 但有類似的bill。
Unfair_Practices_the_Fair_Trading_Act.pdf:
www.servicealberta.ca/...ng_Act.pdf
timeshare-act.pdf: | http://www.beimeicn.com/Forums/posting/mode=newtopic/f=134/lang=tchinese.html |
STARSKY 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 13:15:26
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請問可以介紹一下你的律師嗎?
lkclover 說道: Re: 真實案例: Timeshare 合同的法律問題----要去BC小額法庭了? /> </span> </td> </tr> &l
2010-09-18 13:16:52
有朋友用過這種time share的,感覺很值。但是前提是的要選好的time share 計劃和公司,便於全球旅行。
Caribou 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 13:16:55
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請問可以介紹一下你的律師嗎?
我沒請律師。
STARSKY 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 13:19:29
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介紹一下他們的律師吧
謝了
lkclover 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 13:50:28
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介紹一下他們的律師吧
謝了
這麼看來,你也買了一種time share計劃,也被忽悠了?
election 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 14:00:32
1公司宣布倒閉,換手
2就算在法庭你贏了,他可以和你講數;可以半價打折.可以分期付款,然後拖一陣,把帳號關了,錢轉移了.法庭不負責幫你去查他的銀行帳號
3有種公司是在美國/加國租用一個郵箱注冊的,要換個名字,分分秒秒
4俺現在比較強悍,----你知道我采取的方法了吧
5 如果錢數不是太大,最好的辦法是選擇遺忘
太尉 說道: Re: 真實案例: Timeshare 合同的法律問題----要去BC小額法庭了? /> </span> </td> </tr> &a
2010-09-18 15:54:01
有朋友用過這種time share的,感覺很值。但是前提是的要選好的time share 計劃和公司,便於全球旅行。
這些玩意還是少參與的好,要旅行,自己網上或者讓旅行代理搜尋一下好的Deal,不比Time Share差。
election 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 18:16:39
2)Getting a judgement is fairly easy. Collecting is an entirely different story.
如何准備:
YOUR HOMEWORK INVOLVES: In order to successfully sue in Small Claims Court in your province, you must do your homework. You need to look at the rules concerning procedures for filing claims, defences, and counterclaims. You must meet the stipulated time limits, obey the rules for service and proof of service of documents. You will need to know a little about default judgements and proceedings. Usually there will be a pre-trial conference which may lead to an offer to settle. A rejected offer to settle will have cost consequences at trial.
You need to have all your evidence available at trial. Read up on trial procedures (watch Judge Judy for tips). You will also need some understanding of what costs you can ask for, the reimbursement of costs, and the enforcement of judgments and orders.
Small claims trials are adversarial in nature which means that there will be a winner and a loser. Judges usually permit very informal procedures and take an active role in questioning the parties to get to the facts. Judgments are awarded on the balance of probabilities.
看,就是贏了也拿不到錢:
If I win my case, am I guaranteed to get my money?
Unfortunately, no. The court can give you tools you can use to collect your money - such as a payment hearing or a garnishing order. In the most extreme cases, when someone deliberately ignores a court order, a judge can send a debtor to jail. But some people will not pay and some cannot.
我早遇到過好幾個老油條了
It is frustrating to spend time and money to prove a claim in court and then still be unable to collect what is owing to you. If you are thinking about making a claim in small claims court - or in any court, for that matter - you should first consider what your chances are of collecting, if you should win.
所以,剛才我提及的,欠你錢的公司的銀行帳號信息,你拿到手很要緊
幫你查了查,時效問題.中國,我知道是二年.但這兩年是可以更新的,即,你有證據證明你一直在問他追討最後那一日起的二年.這裡,只找到這個:
If a notice of claim has not been served within 12 months after it was filed it expires, but the claimant may apply to have it renewed (see Rule 16 (3)).
有網站供你參考:
www.bclaws.ca/EPLibrar...261_93_00b
www.ag.gov.bc.ca/court...hat_is.htm
俺是壞人,俺現在只相信拳頭裡面有真理.
等您的好消息
Caribou 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 18:20:53
1公司宣布倒閉,換手
2就算在法庭你贏了,他可以和你講數;可以半價打折.可以分期付款,然後拖一陣,把帳號關了,錢轉移了.法庭不負責幫你去查他的銀行帳號
3有種公司是在美國/加國租用一個郵箱注冊的,要換個名字,分分秒秒
4俺現在比較強悍,----你知道我采取的方法了吧
5 如果錢數不是太大,最好的辦法是選擇遺忘
1. 這公司在 Vancouver 也有幾年的歷史了, 不會一下倒閉 , 會也沒啥, 免了交它的 member fee (它是 RCI member, 我還要交 RCI 的member fee) 。
4. 我不知道你的強悍方法。
5. 能贏最好。$1.4萬。 最壞的情況是錢拿不回來。就像現在這樣。遺忘,我也認了。
Caribou 說道: 無題
2010-09-18 18:27:08
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介紹一下他們的律師吧
謝了
我不認識他們的律師,沒法介紹。